SmarterTracks TO - Ontario Line 2

May. 16, 2020

"Of course; the catch is the cost - The line as shown is approximately 40 kms - In round numbers, at say $700 million per km, my guesstimate would be about $28 billion - It would have to be done in stages - The first stage, Dundas West Station to King and Yonge would be 8.5 kms at a cost of roughly $6 billion (about half the cost of Ford's Ontario Line) - The way Trudeau is spending right now, we could build ten of them"

Phil Prentice on Facebook - May 16'20
Jan. 24, 2020

"Yes; but the demand for something like Ontario Line 2 is there - Mark my words; the Eglinton Crosstown LRT is going to be packed from day one; the same for the Ontario Line - We need to start planning for something like Ontario Line 2 now"

Phil Prentice in response to Brian Freiter on Facebook - Jan 24'20
Nov. 7, 2019

Hi All - Here is my proposal for the next step in rapid transit for Toronto and the GTA - Rapid Transit is over 20 years behind where it needs to be - Even with all of the plans on the books and currently in the early planning stages, it's not going to be enough - The black line on this map represents the Ontario Line as currently proposed by the Ontario government for completion in 2027 - The pink line represents my proposal for a second relief line (Ontario Line 2) - This line would be a metro style subway (the same as what Doug Ford is proposing for the Ontario Line) - It would run along King Street (thus eliminating the need for the King Streetcar), and extend west to Roncesvalles, north through Dundas West Station, and then north-west along Weston and Albion Roads (eventually to Brampton); and east along Queen Street and Kingston Road to connect with the Eglinton East LRT at Kingston Road and Eglinton Avenue East (as possibly to Pickering) - Of course extensions to Brampton and Pickering would not be practicle to get to and from downtown, but would be more for local service for points in between - A huge thanks to Henry Lin who created this map for me - And credit to Henry for coming up with names for all of the stops along the route

Nov. 3, 2019

So, after much debate on social media, proponents of the Ontario Line have convinced me that the Exhibition Place alignment of the Ontario Place Line has merit - There are many ways to skin a cat, but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and agree that there is more to the Ontario Line than just a spagetti line doodle on a napkin

I can tell that some of these proponents are much more involved in this project than they let on - I'm not going to name names (there are several) but, during some heated exchange on Facebook, it was quite apparent that they knew details that the general public could not possibly be aware of - Some of the key points raised were:

- The west does not need relief as much as the east - (I agree that this may be the case at the moment, but proper transit for the west is also long overdue and should be planned now in conjunction with and not in isolation from this proposed Ontario Line)
- The terminus of the Ontario Line does not have to end at Exhibition Place and could be extended to Dundas West Station in the future - (I don't buy into this argument - My position is still that the most direct route is the best route, and that this Ontario Line West/"Spagetti Line" should be studied in more detail - They should put the Ontario Line West portion (Osgoode to Exhibition Place) on hold and take time for in depth studies to ensure that it fits in with/and does not hamper future transit development)
- The Ontario Line will interconnect with GO and provide relief for Union Station - (This is the main reason I support the argument for the Ontario Line - As well as relief and servicing entirely new areas, it will provide new options and necessary redundancy)
- It will open new areas up for redevelopment; particularly at Ontario Place - (I'm not particularly fond of forever growing and increasing density (both increase our carbon footprint); but this would be the case which ever alignment was chosen - I am however very concerned and leary about what the province's intentions are for Ontario Place)
- The challenges presented by the Garrison Creek Sewers are not an issue - According to these proponents of the Ontario Line; the sewers are quite shallow, and there is plenty of space between Strachan Avenue and Exhibition Place Stadium to overcome the issue quite easily

Nobody has commented on my concern as to how they are going to bend and twist the line (and a 28' diameter tunnel), along Bathurst between Queen-Spadina and Ordinance Park - I'll just assume that they know what they're doing and have this figured out

I am not going to advocate for a Dundas West spur line off the Ontario Line at Queen-Bathurst - The problem with this spur is that it would mean interlining with the Ontario Line at Queen-Bathurst and the connection for it would have to be planned and built now (to do this at some future point would be virtually impossible and prohibitively expensive) - I don't have any faith at all that this Ontario government has the will or the foresight to do this at this time

Although I still hope this Exhibition Place leg of the Ontario Line falls through, I am going to embrace it for the moment and think about future transit with this Ontario Line in place

Aug. 23, 2019

"Yes and no; it's not my intention for anyone to use it to travel between Durham and Mississauga; GO would still be the mode of transit for that - It's more about local travel within Durham, Toronto, and Mississauga, but with the option of travelling between one centre and another - Also; the areas with lower densities and sparse populations could be bypassed stopping only at major interchanges such as GO lines, other subways, and LRT lines, and at key destinations - The travel time through these "express" portions of the line, with stops averaging 4,000 metres apart, would be roughly half that of sections with more traditional stop spacing of about 800 metres"

Phil Prentice in response to Andre Sorensen on Facebook - Aug 23'19